Philadelphia Flyers
Carchidi: Flyers’ President Opens Up About Tortorella, Collapse
Keith Jones’ first year as the Philadelphia Flyers’ president of hockey operations was sailing along until a late-season collapse ruined most of the good things the team had done in the first five months.
Wait. Not so fast, Jones said. Though disappointed by an eight-game losing streak that will likely cost the team a playoff berth, Jones said the Great Skid — with many of the losses against lightweights — “doesn’t take away ” from what the Flyers accomplished. “It’s been frustrating, no doubt about that,” he said. “But there’s been a lot of good things that have been gained throughout the season.”
Jones made his comments before the Flyers ended their losing streak with a 4-1 win Thursday over the powerful New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden, keeping their slim playoff hopes alive with two games remaining. (Yep, after losing to lowly Montreal, 9-3, the Flyers beat the team that leads the NHL with 110 points. Go figure.)
“We stepped up. There’s still hope, there’s still a chance, and we believe in that,” forward Noah Cates said after the stunning win over the Rangers.
Still, the Flyers, a team that looked like a playoff lock a few weeks ago, need lots of help if they are going to reach the post-season for the first time in four years.
“We’re back to being the underdogs,” Cates said, adding the team plays looser in those situations.
Penguins are now the second wild-card team with 86 points, one more than #Flyers. Pitt has 3 games left (Boston, Nashville, Isles), Flyers have 2 (NJ, Washington).
— Sam Carchidi (@BroadStBull) April 12, 2024
The ‘right decision’
To some, the fact they are now underdogs to reach the playoffs is maddening when you realize how they had been playing before their skid, outworking teams on most nights.
But injuries didn’t help. Neither did the players folding under the pressure.
“I think going into the trade deadline, we recognized we were going to weaken our roster by moving (Sean) Walker,” Jones said, “and recognizing that (Nick) Seeler, (Rasmus) Ristolainen and (Jamie) Drysdale were out. This is a defense-driven league. So for the future, we made, in our estimation, the right decision.”
Walker, a prospective free agent, was traded to Colorado for a conditional first-round pick in 2025 and Ryan Johansen. Getting that pick was the right move. That said, all kinds of red flags sprouted when the defense disintegrated during the losing streak.
It should be pointed out that Drysdale was back and played in four of the games during the collapse, while Seeler returned and played in five of those eight games. Philly went a respectable 2-3-2 against the Eastern Conference’s best teams, then lost to bottom-feeders Montreal (twice), Columbus, Buffalo and Chicago during their skid.
“Our guys, with a depleted defense, gave everything they had during that seven-game stretch against teams that have a chance to win the Stanley Cup this year,” Jones said. “We used up our players to try to get through that. And then, I don’t know if the players mentally took a breather and said, ‘Here’s what’s coming next’ ” — the so-called easy teams. “And all of a sudden, those games turned the wrong way.
“I do think we used a lot of energy and a lot of our top players trying to get through that gauntlet of teams.”
Praise for youngsters
Jones recognizes the Flyers “aren’t there yet,” but is pleased with the advancement of the young players like Tyson Foerster, Bobby Brink, Morgan Frost, Cam York and even out-of-gas goalie Sam Ersson, despite his massive late-season struggles.
The Flyers have gotten 33 goals from rookies, tops in the NHL.
“The younger players have taken on bigger roles, and that’s what is eventually going to get us over the top,” he said. “And Sam Ersson’s play in goal has been very solid until the last few weeks. For him, I’m disappointed we haven’t played as well in front of him, and I’m sure he feels he hasn’t played as well as he’s capable of. But he has made some major adjustments and advancements this year.
“I think once he resets, it’ll be dividends in his future as well.”
If not, the Flyers’ goalie situation — which was the team’s strength before the Carter Hart developments — will be in flux. Yes, the defense was shaky, but Flyers goalies had an unfathomable .794 save percentage during their eight-game slide.
Torts’ situation
Another club source said John Tortorella will be back behind the bench next season.
Tortorella was a Coach of the Year candidate in the first 71 games, getting the most out of a roster that is without any superstars and has the league’s worst power play.
But some of his decisions down the stretch — the benching of captain Sean Couturier, the calling out of his players after they dominated the third period and salvaged a point against the Islanders — seemed to alienate his team.
Though you could argue otherwise, Jones said the players didn’t quit on their coach. He is strongly in the coach’s corner.
“I don’t believe they quit for a second,” said Jones, whose team finishes the season with home games against New Jersey on Saturday and Washington on Tuesday. “The makeup of our players is not that type of character.”
Draft a key
Wherever the Philadelphia Flyers finish, they need to take advantage of their plethora of high draft picks. They have two selections in each of the first two rounds this June. And they desperately need a future sniper to replace the traded Cutter Gauthier.
“We were not fooling ourselves that we were Stanley Cup contenders this year. That’s never been lost on us,” Jones said. “If we felt we were, then we wouldn’t have moved Walker. Our team played extremely well for 55, 60 games, and then kind of dipped at the wrong time. … But it’s also a positive lesson for the future; the younger players will never forget this. I think we have to continue to build, keep our eyes on the prize and (become) a perennial playoff team that eventually turns into a team that can win the Stanley Cup. We’re not there yet.”
If the Flyers miss the playoffs, Jones hopes the the eight-game collapse will serve as a learning tool for the future.
“You hate to have a streak like this at the end of the season; it’s very irritating,” Jones said. “Our job is to look at it from above, and be better for it afterwards. And there’s still some games left and hopefully the guys can find something at the end.”
Sam Carchidi writes a weekly column for Philly Hockey Now. He and Jeff Hare are working on a TV series on the Flyers’ glory days, tentatively called “Bullies.” Carchidi can be reached at samcarchidi55@gmail.com.
Tend to agree with Jonesy,
…..this experience in the last 3 weeks will be an invaluable lessons learned for the young players.
Having it their grasp and then losing it is a very tough pill to swallow.
Also hope, he and the GM-Danny B, make some needed off-season improvements with the team.
I second that opinion,let’s hope the guys that went through the losing streak and are here next season remember the feeling of the losing streak. I just want them to FIX the power play in the offseason whether they get a new coach with a new system or some free agents that shoot the puck on the pp.
Wonder if they will look to make an offer for Panthers’ free agent Sam Rinehart,
…..he is a power play guy with a great shot….27 PP goals.
He had a career year this season…though he is normally a 30/35 goal a season guy..
Many of the play-off teams now are virtually capped out with their own stars.
Flyers could have a shot with him.
How much can they afford with all the salaries they’ve taken back with these deals: Hayes, Petersen, DeAngelo and the Aves guy in the Walker trade
Exactly,chuck Fletcher didn’t help much with some of his moves he made during his tenure and now the team is paying the piper.The one move I can’t stop shaking my head over is not shedding jvr’s contact at last years trade deadline and not even making an offer to johnny gaudreau.I can only imagine how many goals he could have scored on the man advantage.
Agree…JVR’s contract should have been moved, as a rental at least a 3rd or 4th round pick would have been easily obtainable…..perhaps one reason Fletch is gone.
Johnny Gaudreau is an overrated and overpaid player. Not worth the contract he has and of course it and he will not age well.
I see your point, my thinking was maybe if he would have been playing in basically his hometown and not for a last place team he might have more incentive to play better.Good to (talk) hockey with fellow flyer fans,maybe one of these years before we get any older and grayer we can actually talk about a lot more positive things.GO FLYERS!,one of these years lol.
Well for one…..they can move Risto and his $5.5M cap hit…..they can eat 1/2….so it is ends up being a $2.7M cap hit….plus get a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the deal. Of all the buy-outs/eat salary deals…Hayes is the killer for next season @ $3.5M cap hit…DeAngelo’s is only $1.7M, and sheesh Brzy still is at $ 1.6M (will it ever end)….so there are three on the books for next season….total of approx. $6.8M….add in Risto’s if he is moved @50%…then a total of $9.5M.
Can be done.
Yes it can be done,it’s something how briere and jonesy have done more to acquire assets in a short period of time than the previous gm did in his overall tenure with the team.This will be another pivotal draft and offseason for the organization to say the least,with the two first round picks although this draft is not supposed to be as deep as last years draft.
Do you know the teams records comparing Risto in the lineup versus Risto not in the lineup? No need to add to the buyouts of the plethora of players still on the books because of Fletchers mistakes.
Risto is overated…..Sabres saw it also…..won/loss record argument …in the lineup or not….. in hockey, for a guy who would be a second pairing on most of the current play-off teams, is overblown. We can also say….what is his plus/minus stats….in 8 seasons…always negative…-163
Flyers record was 17-9-5 with Risto in the lineup. Good enough over a full season to easily make the playoffs. Fletcher gave him an inflated contract, but the numbers don’t lie and the team was better with him in the lineup. He was the number one reclamation project for Torts.
You have to wonder about the half measures. If you know moving Walker was going to weaken the team, the front office should have packed it in and reloaded. If Seeler or Laughton get a few more first round picks, no need to keep them if moving Walker scuttled the team’s playoff chances
I agree with Keith. Tortorella should definitely be behind the bench next season. Sick of hearing about the benching of Couturier. He wasn’t playing well at all. The calling out the team nonsense. Also not mentioned was the loss of Ristolainen this season. I know he draws the ire of the fanbase due to his contract, but he has become a stable NHL defenseman under Torts.
This current group of players are a bunch of Choir Boys. They skate around like they’re in the ICE CAPADES. They lack metal and physical toughness. They crumbled and fll like a house of cards when they had to WIN. JONESY there are no moral victory in professional sports. You and the Flyers need to stop picking choir boys who are afraid to get their hands and noses dirty and bloody respectively. They teams need to have players who are mentally and physically tougher. I’ve been a Flyers fan since 1970 when Douggie Favell was in net before Bernie Parent came back to the Flyers from the Toronto Maple Leafs. These current players lack heart and desperation in the mindset and play. Honestly, they also lack consistency and real heart. They all say the same crap after losses. No one places with a chip on their shoulder. These young players think they are all it and then some yet they haven’t done crap. They need to play with passion, heart and a will NEVER to accept losing yet they individually and collectively do. Honestly, I’m tired of the same lack luster play by the players. Torts has done a good job keeping his temper in check but at this level, the players are grown men and they need to stop making excuses and get the job done. As an organization the management seem to be baying these players. This group needs real kick in the ass and get street tough. The way these players play, there needs to be tougher captains , leaders and players on the team. There are too many nice guys. I want to see nasty, hard noise players who have a real desire to win at all costs. I don’t know if the team will ever get there again.
Management again are Flyer inexperienced retreads. This Snider philosophy resulted in no Cup in 50 years.
They should have shaken up the team b4 it got that bad. It’s started with Brier trading Walker for nothing when they needed to give this group playoff experience win or lose. I guess they’ll never learn.
They traded Walker for a number one pick. He is also a free agent, so there is the possibility that he could resign here over the summer if he truly enjoyed his time here and with Seeler as his partner. I think it would behoove the team to attempt to resign him to a two year deal that would make more sense than hoping that Zamula or another one of the youngsters works out.
Jones has zero management experience.
He’s a broadcaster and Brier isn’t any better. What were they doing during the losing streak? NOTHING. Who do these inexperienced do nothing players think they are to stop trying.?
Yo Tom, the losing streak was after the trade deadline. There was nothing that management could have done.
The first straw to break was Hart not keeping it in his pants, resulting in a rookie goalie expected to play maybe 20 games end up playing in 49 games. He was streaky but if it wasn’t for him, the team would not have been in a playoff spot for the better part of the season. Losing four defensemen to injury and trade did not help the situation either, resulting in the top pair playing 26+ minutes per night, burning them out and the result was the losing streak against the crappy teams.
Disappointed by the finish, but overall first time in a while we have hope for the future